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Posted: 08 February 2008 02:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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I’ve been scanning through the posts on this thread, and I’d like to add my thoughts...I went to three film schools before I got into Hollywood—Ohio State, UCLA and the American Film Institute.  and i got something different from each one of them.

Here’s what i got, in no particular order:

The 2 main reasons to go to film school are 1) to get the use of the equipment (which means make as many films as humanly possible while you’re there), and 2) to meet like-minded people who you’ll grow with as you go out and follow the path you choose.

But just a tiny bit of caution—try not to listen to a word your professors tell you about how to make movies, tell stories, etc.  Do your best not to let any of it in, because there’s a very very very good chance they’re wrong.  Not wrong as in “bad,” but irrelevant to you.  That’s the pitfall of film school.  Many of these professors have been teaching for so long they’re stale.  And, they’ll tell you you can’t do this thing or the other, and maybe you actually can.

The only feedback to listen to is your audience.  As long as they’re responding to what you’re doing, even partially, that’s where you know you’re pointed in the direction you want.

You absolutely do not need to go to film school to learn how to make films...and, like Shadowhorse pointed out, film school can actually suck the originality right out of a budding filmmaker, just like trying to do what you think Hollywood wants.

I tell aspiring filmmakers to just start making little films, and get all the crappy ones out of the way.  I really believe in the low-budget, ready-fire-aim school of developing yourself as a writer or filmmaker.

And, I know filmmaking is taught as being a collaborative process - and in most of its forms it is just that - but that’s not the only way to get it done.  Think of Robert Rodriguez, perfect example—he did his little film on zero budget, and 1 friend (no crew).  What that enabled him to do was make his movie rather than have to raise money, AND he got to learn everything about every aspect of the process. He did it this way because he didn’t know of any other way for him to do it with the resources he had.

When you do this, you never have to be at the mercy of having to raise gobs of money!  And that’s a very good thing.  Because raising money is a very different activity than making movies.  You can spend years raising money—or spend them making movies!  This will serve you greatly as you progress in your career, without ever having to sacrifice on your creative vision.

Yes, it is good to know the history and the theory—and you can get that from books, right?

I went to UCLA Graduate film school for about 3 quarters, I was new in town, and wanted to meet people, and I needed to use the equipment to finish up editing a film I’d shot...and those people I met there and at AFI are the ones I’ve grown with in the business, which is very cool.

Looking back at it, if I’m really really really honest with myself, I did all those film schools because I was a little intimidated about going out into the real world of Hollywood (I thought having those credentials would make me more viable)—and then I finally did make the leap, and I’ve had an amazing career so far!

I hope that adds to the answer to your questiion—and I’m wondering, where are you with it now?

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Posted: 13 February 2008 02:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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Not quite the same question as originally asked in this thread, but I am looking at film school too. Thing is, I do not want to be a director, I do not want to be a producer, I do not want to be a writer. I want to be involved from the technical side in one of three areas, camera operator, lighting, or sound. To me, being the 1st AC on a well respected camera crew would be a dream come true, question is what is the best way to get there? Is there a way to do it without going to school? I am thinking that a one year school is probably the answer, but I was hoping that somebody could tell me if I’m off base here.

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Posted: 13 February 2008 05:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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Hi bluetoes591, my first thought is for you to start by getting on a good crew as a production assistant or even a camera or lighting assistant.  But even if it’s as a P.A., try to be on the set as much as possible, and get to know the camera crew!  You can find times to ask lots of questions, get to know them, and observe what they do.  Do stuff for them, like offer to pick up Starbucks for them if you’re out running around doing your P.A. thing.

And, if you really want to be targeted about it, depending on where you’re located, find a production with a top Cinematographer and be P.A. on THAT.  Then you’re getting to know the best.

Another way to go is contact the production company directly, and depending on how much time you could actually volunteer, tell them you’d like to work for free on the production (to fit your schedule) for experience.  Then, get in there and wow them completely, and get to know the camera people.

Production is such demanding work, and you depend on each other so much, people want to work with those they like and who they know will give it their all.  Be that to them, let them know your aspirations, and you’ll stand a good chance of being hired to come with them on their next project.  D.P.s tend to have their operators and crews, and that’s a good way to crack into that nut.

Eventually you’ll have to deal with the Union issue (again, depending on where you’re located), and you can cross that bridge when you get to it.

Hope that helps, and good luck, sounds like fun!

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Posted: 15 February 2008 03:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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Well, that is helpful. It sounds like, as I suspected, film school is not the be all and end all. I wasn’t sure if one could work their way into a technical position from PA or not. My experience as a volunteer in theatre and music production suggests to me that if I can get my foot in the door and prove myself I can create a demand for myself, I just need to find a way in. I am currently located in Vancouver and have some contacts in the industry in Toronto that could definitely help me get a PA job.

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Posted: 18 February 2008 12:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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You can absolutely create a demand for yourself...sounds like you’re in a great location, too!  Keep me posted!

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Posted: 02 March 2008 09:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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Posted: 03 April 2008 12:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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pjutz28 here, i’ve been interested in filmmaking ever since i got my own handycam in 7th grade. Didn’t pursue my passion until about two years ago when i decided that i wanted to take filmmaking from being a hobby to being my full time career.  I put together my ideas and plans and went out to find funding, that didnt turn out so well as I wasn’t formally trained. I’m now based in asia, teaching English as a Second Language, and im scouting for some filmschools in the region.  One school that caught my attention is the International Academy of FIlm and Television.  I was hoping anyone in the forum is currently enrolled in any of their film programs, i would really like to hear an insiders opinion.

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Posted: 05 July 2008 07:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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Hi Guys,
My name is Ben from the Philippines. I’m just an aspiring film maker. I might be correct or maybe wrong but on my own opinion, I agree about what Knightly said regarding doing both. We’re not that wealthy to be able to go to the US & enroll there. In our country, there’s this film school here that they said to have the advance equipment & best mentors that could really help aspirants (I don’t know). But even with what they can offer, I think by doing both (as what Knightly said) would surely help me achieve success.
Two Thumbs Up to all of you guys! thanks!

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Posted: 04 August 2008 12:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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A good film school (http://www.mpifilm.com) should inspire you.

How can you hope to improve when you are your own teacher? Who will tell you when you are not staging a scene correctly? When you elect to “do it yourself” you are turning your back on a structured environment that can teach a filmmaker good habits that he or she can carry through into the field. I can’t name many successful filmmakers who took the DIY route. But I can name hundreds of successful filmmakers who have some if not a lot of film school training. How will you ever know if you are learning good filmmaking habits if you have no gauge or barometer other than your finished product? By going it alone you are also electing to forego a peer group that could provide the support you need when you are losing motivation or in need of guidance. How can you hope to improve when you are your own teacher? By going it along you are electing to forego the crucial creative growth process that comes with a formalized film school education. I think that anyone who pursues the DIY route is making an enormous mistake.  Check out http://www.mpifilm.com for more info.

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